[Hasenphever]

Sorry I am not electrician but I see here this is level 2 charger using 240 v and it has adapter if you want to use it at 110v household as a level 1. This is how I understand.

Morec 16A EV Charger Level 1-2 NEMA6-20P with Adapterfor NEMA 5-15, 100V-240V, Portable EVSE SAE J1772 Plug 6m (20 feet), Home Electric Vehicle Charging Station Compatible with All EV Cars : Amazon.ca: Automotive

Morec 16A EV Charger Level 1-2 NEMA6-20P with Adapterfor NEMA 5-15, 100V-240V, Portable EVSE SAE J1772 Plug 6m (20 feet), Home Electric Vehicle Charging Station Compatible with All EV Cars : Amazon.ca: Automotive

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Amazon can be misleading. This is a plug that uses a NEMA 6-20P plug to connect to a level 2 wall charger that is already installed. Google NEMA 6-20P to see what these outlets look like. There is an adapter that allows it to be plugged into a NEMA 5-15 plug, which is a normal household outlet. If the circuit from your breaker to your outlet is only 110v at 15amps, it is impossible for this to double the power. Level 2 chargers need an electrician to install a 220/240V circuit from your breaker. This is the same type of heavy duty circuit that your dryer runs on. The electrician also needs to determine if your current panel add a 220/240V circuit and whether you have enough service (100amp vs 200amp) coming to your house. Installing a level 2 charger is about $4,000-5,000 including labour and charger, depending on where you are and whether you need a new panel.

Unless you really need a full charge in 7-8 hours, using a 12amp level 1 evse, like the one that came with it, may be all that you need. If you drive less than 60km/38 miles before plugging in that means you are not charging from empty so real-world charge time is less.

 

[Bubka]

Amazon can be misleading. This is a plug that uses a NEMA 6-20P plug to connect to a level 2 wall charger that is already installed. Google NEMA 6-20P to see what these outlets look like. There is an adapter that allows it to be plugged into a NEMA 5-15 plug, which is a normal household outlet. If the circuit from your breaker to your outlet is only 110v at 15amps, it is impossible for this to double the power. Level 2 chargers need an electrician to install a 220/240V circuit from your breaker. This is the same type of heavy duty circuit that your dryer runs on. The electrician also needs to determine if your current panel add a 220/240V circuit and whether you have enough service (100amp vs 200amp) coming to your house. Installing a level 2 charger is about $4,000-5,000 including labour and charger, depending on where you are and whether you need a new panel.

Unless you really need a full charge in 7-8 hours, using a 12amp level 1 evse, like the one that came with it, may be all that you need. If you drive less than 60km/38 miles before plugging in that means you are not charging from empty so real-world charge time is less.

Ok I see , amazon can be misleading but not you.
You dont need anything else with this however you call it charger or not charger just plug it in 110v or 240v outlet and charge your car. You can use adapter if you dont have 6-20 and plug it in your dryer outlet .
This is not about do I really need or not, I just want to buy right level 2 charger for my new Outlander but to make sure it will work well with a car and not to make any electrical damages.
And that is all about

 

[Hasenphever]

Ok I see , amazon can be misleading but not you.

Hmmm, I don't understand the aggressiveness towards me. I am trying to help you by my sharing what I know.

You don't need anything else with this however you call it charger or not charger just plug it in 110v or 240v outlet and charge your car. You can use adapter if you dont have 6-20 and plug it in your dryer outlet .
This is not about do I really need or not, I just want to buy right level 2 charger for my new Outlander but to make sure it will work well with a car and not to make any electrical damages.
And that is all about

The MOREC by itself is not a level 2 charger. If you have a 6-20 outlet then this will work but how much power it provides your car all depends on the circuit that plug is connected to. I hope you find the information that you need.

 

[Bubka]

Hmmm, I don't understand the aggressiveness towards me. I am trying to help you by my sharing what I know.

Hmmm, I don't understand the aggressiveness towards me. I am trying to help you by my sharing what I know

This is not agressiveness, I am just honest to show you I dont understand you stubbornness because at least 50 similar NOT LEVEL 2 CHARGERS on amazon are called level 2 chargers by many different sellers call it level 2 charger also many different reviews says chargers and they all misleading... but now I see my stubbornness and I will stop it here.
I will show you what is my plan to get faster charging and it may be good or even bad idea.

 

[Bubka]

My laundry room with 240v dryer is just beside garage enterance.
I will buy from us amazon ( because is much cheaper than canadian ) "SplitVolt splitter switch ". Install that and with extension cord get power to the new level 2 charger.
In my case it will cost far less than electrcian but still safe to not overheating.
Anybody have better but safe idea ?

 

[slick]

ok i have questions . the onboard charger maxes at 16 amp . so to go to 16 from 12 is really not a big enough improvement for me to spend much money on . however i could switch out a circuit fairly cheaply from 120 v 15 a to 120 v 20 a .

question ; will the eves accept and handle this ? will the onboard charger do 16 a with the 120 ?

 

[Bubka]

ok i have questions . the onboard charger maxes at 16 amp . so to go to 16 from 12 is really not a big enough improvement for me to spend much money on . however i could switch out a circuit fairly cheaply from 120 v 15 a to 120 v 20 a .

question ; will the eves accept and handle this ? will the onboard charger do 16 a with the 120 ?

How I understand that it will improve from 12amp to 16amp with level 2 and from 110v to 240v, this is all going to increase charging speed from 1.2 kwh or 1.3 kwh to 3.0 kwh or 3.3 kwh whatever is allowed speed by Outlander.
I think if you run 15 amp with level 1 charger on 15 amp fuse breaker, your breaker will pop up often because it allowed to run 80% of fuse capacity which is 12 amp. If your fuse is 20 amp you should be fine.

 

[Hasenphever]

ok i have questions . the onboard charger maxes at 16 amp . so to go to 16 from 12 is really not a big enough improvement for me to spend much money on . however i could switch out a circuit fairly cheaply from 120 v 15 a to 120 v 20 a .

question ; will the eves accept and handle this ? will the onboard charger do 16 a with the 120 ?

Yes, the EV charger can handle almost double that since it maxes out at 16a on 240v. Just make sure your panel has an available 20a circuit.

 

[Ernest Grolimund]

New owner of a 2023 PHEV here. Had it about a week. The car seems to take 19 hours to charge from empty on a 110v 15amp circuit using the oem level 1 evse. I've tried different outlets, different houses, different lengths of wiring from the breaker, different ages of wiring from recent (last 2 years) to older, nothing else plugged into any of the outlets, and the draw is the same in all instances: 1.1kWh or 10 amps.

I get the same result when using a different oem level 1 evse so I believe it's the vehicle that is drawing at this level.

Wondering what others are experiencing from a regular 15amp household outlet?

Retired engineer by education. Got 55 mile range with 39 hour charge time in Maine in February. Believe range can be increased with a 240 V, variable amp (10-16-24 amp) charger from Primecom. Charge time will be 2.5 hr +/- in summer and 5 hr in winter. The problem seems to be with the increased charging time in winter with an underpowered charger. Many are upgrading to 240V chargers like the dealers do with higher amp ratings. It will cost me an estimated $2,000 to do this. If you don't do this, you will have a good car that gives you better gas milage and less gas use but not the best range and fuel savings you can get. I was able to drive around town and get about 90% EV driving this way as a retired person not driving much. It would be ideal for a house wife too. But I want to get 55 miles range for my wife who is commuting to work in a hospital in a Honda Clarity PHEV. We are going to have to change our driving to tackle this climate problem and the Outlander is the best option I have come across so far. Great car in general. Smooth transition from electric to gas. We just have to solve this charging problem.

 

[slick]

Yes, the EV charger can handle almost double that since it maxes out at 16a on 240v. Just make sure your panel has an available 20a circuit.

yup am thinking about replacing the whole circuit wire ,receptacle and breaker . in garage and open mostly and not that far from the panel . not much improvement in time but cheep and easy is right up my ally so come the spring i may just give this a try see what happens .

thanks guys

 

[Hasenphever]

yup am thinking about replacing the whole circuit wire ,receptacle and breaker . in garage and open mostly and not that far from the panel . not much improvement in time but cheep and easy is right up my ally so come the spring i may just give this a try see what happens .

thanks guys

Sounds nice, I would do the same if I could. Going with at least 12 gauge wire?

 

[slick]

Sounds nice, I would do the same if I could. Going with at least 12 gauge wire?

yup have extra 12 Gage in the garage and a few extra 20 amp receptacles left over from a kitchen reno . not sure if i have a 20 a breaker or not so might just have to shell out for that .

 

[Bubka]

I received yesterday level 2 charger / 25 ft extension NEMA cord 14-30 / adapter 14-30 to 14-50 purchased on Canadian Amazon

I plugged it yesterday in laundry room outlet for test purpose before another 10ft extension cord and automatic power switch arrives from US Amazon next week.

What I can say it did work nicely.

For example car was plugged with original Mitsubishi level 1 charger and was showing 15 hours and 30 minutes on car display before fully charged, than I unplugged level 1 and plugged new level 2 ( switched on 16 amp ) connected with ext.cord and adapter. Charger display was showing 3.5 KWH charging speed and car display showed 6 hrs until fully charged.

I was very happy I because I made this decision to do it.

Still waiting to receive automatic switch and another ext.cord to do final setting.

It will cost me about $1,000 CAD all installed.

I will update you with pictures when all installed and how it works.

 

[Bubka]

Completed last night all about level 2 charger and works well.

Charging at 3.5KWh speed on16 amp setup, needs just under 6 hours from 0-100%.

Checked few times no overheating , all connection stay cool.

What else to say than I am happy with that improvement in charging and with a car too so far with 1.2L/100km in winter time 7 days since odometer reset and driven in temperatures 2 C to -15 C.

 

[Hasenphever]

Nice. Looks like your switcher is inside and you charge your car in a garage?

 

[Bubka]

Nice. Looks like your switcher is inside and you charge your car in a garage?

Switcher and car are in garage , laundry room is first step from garage into house. I drilled the hole to connect cables from laundry to the other oposite side of wall in garage. Works well

 

[Hasenphever]

What happens when you try to charge the car when the dryer is on, or vice versa?

 

[Bubka]

What happens when you try to charge the car when the dryer is on, or vice versa?

When turned dryer on charging stopped and as soon dryer stopped charging restarted in few second.
Dryer outlet is in priority and automatically switched to dryer when turned on.
It works the same as SplitVolt switch just about $200 CAD cheaper when ordered from USA Amazon

 

[Bubka]

You can see here how it works on SplitVolt

 

[Hasenphever]

That's a smart system, thanks for sharing.