2023 PHEV level 1 charge times

J1772 is for level 1 and 2. The chademo plug is for a fast charger that you pay for by the hour, usually at a highway charging station.

All L2 (and L1) chargers will have the J-1772 connector. You'll only find chademo connectors at commercial/public L3 stations typically (Chargepoint, etc).

You only need to find an EVSE (L2 home charger) good for about 16A, any more is wasted on the Outlander bc it's onboard charging hardware is so slow. Unless you plan on getting an EV in the future, then 40A is as high as you can go on a 50A circuit at your house.

ghens said:

My 2023 PHEV takes about 8 hours for full charge from 30amp 240volt level 2 charger installed in my garage

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Wow, mine consistently charges from 0 to 100% in 6 hours, 30 Amp, 240V

Bubka said:

Can you tell us please what level 2 charger you purchased and are you happy with that charger. Maybe you can post here web link for charger. I am looking to buy one but not sure for Mitsubishi OEM requirements, all I can see says 16 amp.
Thanks

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I purchased the Grizle, adjustable 240V 16-40 amp charger. Mine's set at 32amps, charges 0-100% in 6 hours consistently

wly.anderson said:

I purchased the Grizle, adjustable 240V 16-40 amp charger. Mine's set at 32amps, charges 0-100% in 6 hours consistently

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15 amps at 240V is about 5.5 hours, so with the slower draw to fill the last 20% of the battery 6 hours is the fastest you will get on the Outlander PHEV on a AC current. If the PHEV allowed a 32amp draw at 7.7kw or even 6.6kw like in the top trim RAV4 PRIME you'd be looking about 3 hours to fill 20kw. Keep in mind for li-ion batteries continually filling it to 100% will reduce its longevity. Most recommend charging to about 50-60% to increase battery life.

Guys, it doesn't matter if your charger is capable of 30A, or adjustable and you "set" it to 40 or whatever. The Outlander can only use about 15A (at 240V, so approx 3600W). Like @Hasenphever said and most ppl observe, about 6-6.5hrs with the slow taper on the last 20% or whatever. Not sure what's going on with the 8hr charge, unless maybe you're counting all the little cell balancing bits at the very very end of the charge, which go on for awhile after the battery is 99.9% full...

Really wish they'd put in a full 6-7kw onboard charger, BUT, charging at the slower 3.6 rate will extend the life of the battery, so, that's a tradeoff Mitsu made I guess.

Bubka said:

I received yesterday level 2 charger / 25 ft extension NEMA cord 14-30 / adapter 14-30 to 14-50 purchased on Canadian Amazon

I plugged it yesterday in laundry room outlet for test purpose before another 10ft extension cord and automatic power switch arrives from US Amazon next week.

What I can say it did work nicely.

For example car was plugged with original Mitsubishi level 1 charger and was showing 15 hours and 30 minutes on car display before fully charged, than I unplugged level 1 and plugged new level 2 ( switched on 16 amp ) connected with ext.cord and adapter. Charger display was showing 3.5 KWH charging speed and car display showed 6 hrs until fully charged.

I was very happy I because I made this decision to do it.

Still waiting to receive automatic switch and another ext.cord to do final setting.

It will cost me about $1,000 CAD all installed.

I will update you with pictures when all installed and how it works.

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I just got mine (2023 Outlander PHEV) and I do have NEMA 14-30 in my garage. I thought for level 2, I need 40A circuit in order to use 240V 32A charger. I mean it will constantly trip 30A breaker, but does not sound like it will trip, instead it reduce the amperage if suppy is limited or shared with other stuff. It is true that car tells me it will take 22 hours but in reality only 14 or 15 hours. It seems slow down at end too.

With a plug adaptor you could use your 32A L2 charger with that existing 14-30 in your garage, because the Outlander will never pull (is not physically capable of using) more than 16-ish amps. Nowhere near the 24A safe limit on that 30A circuit.

BUT, don't try to charge any other car, bc it would probably want all 32A and you'd trip a breaker or burn your house down.

I'm pretty sure all on-board chargers will throttle to 80% of the source max. Part of the job of the EVSE is to handshake with the on-board charger and communicate what the max draw is that is available from the source. But dont take my word for it!

PJmacgee said:

With a plug adaptor you could use your 32A L2 charger with that existing 14-30 in your garage, because the Outlander will never pull (is not physically capable of using) more than 16-ish amps. Nowhere near the 24A safe limit on that 30A circuit.

BUT, don't try to charge any other car, bc it would probably want all 32A and you'd trip a breaker or burn your house down.

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Thanks, for info, but does anywhere mention this in the manual? So buying 32A charger is waste of money compare to 240V 20A or even 15A. I am sure higher the Amps will cost more accordingly. I guess 240V16A will take 6 to 7 hours, but better than 14 hours even it is not completely empty battery. I am debating myself if I should put out money for 240V charger or I should continue 120V came with Outlander. It is very funny that in Japan they supply with 200V cord with Outlander, I downloaded Japanese instruction.

2020 phev here, reg 15 amp house plug. charger set at 12 amp full charge in 6 hours

maxim552 said:

2020 phev here, reg 15 amp house plug. charger set at 12 amp full charge in 6 hours

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But don’t forget, you have the previous model, a PHEV model with a 12 kWh battery. That’s why it’s faster on level 1 to charge it full. My PHEV 2023 will definitely need about 12 h to charge up to full the 20 kWh battery. I decided to get a level 2 charger so that I can gain a few extra km when coming back for lunch.

i got the ChargePoint® Home Flex, a 240-volt Level 2 home charger that delivers from 16 up to 50 amps of power. Although the Outlander PHEV 2023 does not need that, I am planning for the future as well as for friend coming with their EV vehicles. Also love their app, very useful.

once in a while, I do use the level 1 charger supplied By Mitsubishi to give a slower amp charge… Honestly, I have no real idea, but I guess it might be better to do so for the battery longevity.

dankurahashi said:

So buying 32A charger is waste of money compare to 240V 20A or even 15A. I am sure higher the Amps will cost more accordingly.

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Exactly! Anything more than 15/16A is wasted on this specific car. But like @JohnMitsu some ppl future-proof by spending more now on a faster charger, for a future car, or friends with EVs visiting, etc.

dankurahashi said:

It is very funny that in Japan they supply with 200V cord

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Europe/Japan (anywhere with 220V standard) wins because they automatically get 2x charge speed compared to NA! I mentioned this earlier, haven't heard of anyone trying...but it's possible the Mitsu-included L1 charger is dual-voltage (like almost every phone/laptop charging block). The L1 charger included with my Bolt is dual-voltage (although not labeled as such!), and when supplied with 240V (via plug adaptor) it provides 2.8kw instead of 1.4kw, magic! Don't try it though, it could blow it up the Mitsubishi charger...

JohnMitsu said:

once in a while, I do use the level 1 charger supplied By Mitsubishi to give a slower amp charge… Honestly, I have no real idea, but I guess it might be better to do so for the battery longevity.

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I think you're right, the slower charge will be nicer for the battery and could extend its life a little. 1.4kw vs 3.6kw probably not a huge difference, but 7.6kw yeah (probably why Mitsu skipped it), and definitely avoid DCFC (up to 40kw) as much as possible.

If Outlander 2023 can only use 240V 16A, I guess I better look for that. I have no plan for future upgarde. I am too old for that, I was little spectical if I should go ahead with this purchase. Also I find not many chargers are CSA or cUL to get 50% rebate from government of Canada. Also some one questioned about what Japan's dealer supply. I have friend in Japan driving same car, and he got 200V. He sent me link to Japanese manual so I down loaded and check into but it does not say what amps the cord is capable. But it says takes 7 1/2 hour to charge so must be 200V 15A. I wonder why they did not sell with dual voltage. It must be cheaper to produce one kind instead of making two different charger cords and explanation is simpler.

This has got me confused, I am new to the EV world. So the max amps for my 2023 PHEV is 16A? So let's say I wanted to buy a Grizzl-E charger. Would I just need to pre-set it to 16A, but I would still need a 240V plug NEMA 14-50R for the actual charger box?

suttercane said:

So the max amps for my 2023 PHEV is 16A? So let's say I wanted to buy a Grizzl-E charger. Would I just need to pre-set it to 16A, but I would still need a 240V plug NEMA 14-50R for the actual charger box?

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For that Grizzl-E, if it comes with a 14-50 plug, then ideally you'd want the appropriate outlet installed (rated for 50A, on a 50A circuit) to be safe. In that case, you don't need to "set" the charger to anything, and it would be capable of safely delivering up to 40A (10kw) to any car. However your Outlander will never "ask" for more than about 3.6kw (16A).

Now, if you install that Grizzl-E somehow on a smaller home circuit, like 20A or 30A (240V), then you would definitely need to "set" it to only deliver 16A, so that it doesn't ever accidentally overload your home wiring (in the case of another car plugging in and asking for more power, even if that's unlikely in your garage).

kash.shahzada said:

Question for everyone ? Do I need to get the j21772 plug for outlander for level 2 or CHAdeMO?

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J1772, CHAdeMO is level 3

My suggestion is get what you need now, don't bother think about future. When those charger came in the market, they cost ridiculously high, like $2000, $3000, now cheap 240V 16A don't bther with future because it may never happen the way you think or hope. Say you need bigger 7 or 8 years from now, those charger most likely be cheaper. And/or you will make more money and does not effect to your wallet. Same time, you may prolong your battery life. If I need to drive every day, 14 to 16 hours charging is too long, so cut to 7 hours will work. It does not matter to me that I bought extra coverage warranty but still I do not need to shorten to 3 hours.

Price difference between a good quality 16A EVSE ($200) and 40A ($600-700) is pretty small peanuts next to the price you already paid for a new car ($40-50k?). And for most people I'd bet this PHEV is a gateway drug to full EV🤣so, I vote for planning for the future.

But on the other hand if you already have a 30A outlet in your garage, then spending thousands for an electrician to install a new 50A outlet might not make sense.

What I am saying is, buy $200 now and probably another $200 or $300 for 40A when you upgrade your car in 7 or 8 years. Mine was C$60k ( I always bought top of the line just for trade in value), and considering my age, 76, this is the last car I ever buy. And yes, I want use 30A already there. I also built my house as energy efficient home (R2000 standard) so I only have 100A supply. Our electricity usage was very low and this PHEV may be the biggest user