I'm surprised that my post got zero responses. Mitsubishi has a web page describing their vision of autos providing electrical backup of homes:
www.mitsubishi-motors.com
Do Mitsubishi reps not lurk on this forum??
Bidirectional V2H?
I came to this forum to find user accounts of bidirectional charging of the 2023 Outlander PHEV, specifically vehicle to home (V2H). But I'm not getting any search hits. Has anyone set themselves up in this way? I don't believe this was a 2022 possibility so perhaps it's just too early to ask?
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im guessing they dont . im also in doubt anyone in north america has this set up yet .
I am very much interested in buying a new PHEV with V2H and being set up for the next PSPS. But there is no way that I'm going to be the first one paving the road (pun intended).
lo yup i get ya i dont want to be the crash test dummy for anything either . but here is the thing . thats why i wasnt able to get a rav 4 prime . waited till a year and a half ago to order and was 6th on the list . today im fifth . decided to be a crash test dummy for this new outlander just to have it in the interim . the more i drive it the more i want to keep it . every now and again its better to be the early bird .
I too am finding it extremely hard to find any V2H information aside from very techy people building there own setup with 3d printers on you tube . I also cannot seem to find the max charing amps for the 2023 outlander ?
I spent a fair amount of time researching V2H when I considered buying my outlander PHEV. The charging cable itself costs about $ 700. On top of that a wall unit will run $1500 to 3500. Plus there will be electric wiring needed to install the wall box to the house grid. All summed to close to $7500. To really top it off, if you live in the US like I do, you have to order the top trim SEL to get the chademo charge port. V2H is a nice idea and may be necessary if you live in a remote area and/or have shaky electrical grids. Personally I live where the grid is very stable, so I decided to forgo the V2H idea and got an SE trim. PS the battery size of an outlander PHEV will a typical house power needs for a day maybe 1 and 1/2 days of full power. If you conserve it can be more.
I live in Canada and I own a 2023 Outlander PHEV, SEL trim which comes with a 1500W power outlet at the trunk of the vehicle. We recently got an ice storm, therefore a power outage, not in my home but in one of my friends. I decided to give it a try and plug his fridge and freezer (2 separate units) to the 1500W power outlet, and it really worked. The battery does not deplete very quickly, and if you need to use it for 2+ days you need to put the engine in charge mode and let it run while using the battery to power your units. So it seems that the V2H is a very expensive option which has not been introduced in north America yet because it is still too expensive and a regular power generator would cost a lot less. I am planning to ask the auto dealer about it but the first time I bought the car, I asked and they were not even aware of it. I know that some Tesla models come with a V2H system included with the vehicle. So for me, using just the 1500W power outlet, for powering just the home appliances in case of emergency is more than enough.
Apparently, the technical name of a V2H system is a more general term which is a bidirectional EV charger. The good news for the US market is that they will be sold soon for under 1500$ (see this website: Are bidirectional EV chargers ready for the home market?). It seems that bidirectional charging industry is in its very early stages which explains why there are not that many people talking about it and experimenting it.
For anyone interested. there is a good article on V2x technology. The link shown also has several chargers that can be used to link your car to your home. Not all of them use Chademo though most are CCS. The link is: cleanenergyreviews.info/blog/bidirectionevcharging-ev-charging-v2g-v2h-v2l
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Mike, I can echo your recent experience, as we were part of that ice storm you spoke of - we also ran an extension cord into the house to power a large fridge, a small freezer and internet router/ modem for ~ 6 hours. I think the battery bar chart dropped off 1 segment. Although I think it would be a bit extreme for my requirements to put in a true V2H setup, I was thinking of drilling through our cement garage wall to put in a grommet that would allow both a 120V extension cord AND a Level 2 cable, to connect to a 240V Dryer splitter unit (https://www.amazon.ca/Parkworld-886...ix=240v+dryer+splitter+for+ev,aps,1947&sr=8-2I live in Canada and I own a 2023 Outlander PHEV, SEL trim which comes with a 1500W power outlet at the trunk of the vehicle. We recently got an ice storm, therefore a power outage, not in my home but in one of my friends. I decided to give it a try and plug his fridge and freezer (2 separate units) to the 1500W power outlet, and it really worked. The battery does not deplete very quickly, and if you need to use it for 2+ days you need to put the engine in charge mode and let it run while using the battery to power your units. So it seems that the V2H is a very expensive option which has not been introduced in north America yet because it is still too expensive and a regular power generator would cost a lot less. I am planning to ask the auto dealer about it but the first time I bought the car, I asked and they were not even aware of it. I know that some Tesla models come with a V2H system included with the vehicle. So for me, using just the 1500W power outlet, for powering just the home appliances in case of emergency is more than enough.
All in all, with the splitter and level 2 charger I think that would set me back about $500 + my own cheap (free) labor, although still trying to figure out if it makes cost sense to do so, as the 120V Level 1 charger seems to be doing the job over a 12hr time frame. Cheers.
I have spent many hours researching V2H for my 2023PHEV. Mitsubishi actually makes the device, I have the part number but can't get ANYONE at Mitsubishi to tell me how to purchase the unit. I see a unit made by SeaTech online but I'm hesitant since it's made in China and no support is listed
Trouble with these V2H setups are that the inverters are so expensive (the SETECH one is 7k on aliexpress) you are probbaly better off, and cheaper, to just install a normal natrual gas backup generator.
I have a friend in Japan who is operating V2H for years. He has solar panel and he is selling excess to power company. Part of it, he had to spend $10,000 + wiring, for the V2H unit, Power goes both way. It is part of his preparation for earthquake. He was the one suggested to buy outlander PHEV and I've got 2023 about a month ago. He suggest don't bother with V2H since electricity is so cheap in Canada and Outlander has 120V15A outlet. He says with full tank, it can operate 10 days as power supply. ( he has 2023 too). Now I am giving away my power 3000W generator to my daughter's friend since I do not need it, I am planning to use 120V15A for my freezer and fridge in case of emergency.
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