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CHAdeMo fast charging

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Hello! I have comments/questions regarding charging the Outlander PHEV 2023. In short:

CHAdeMo charging stations (w/in Quebec) are capable of 50kW transfer speeds, yet the maximum transfer speed my Outlander accepts is approx 33kW for the first few minutes (starting from empty battery). Ten minutes later, the transfer speed has dropped to half that amount (18 kW) despite my battery's overall charge remaining below 50%.

These results surprise me since the weather was quite ideal (room temperature). Is it possible that I might be doing something wrong? If anyone has advice and/or thoughts, it would be appreciated.

My level 1 and 2 results to get a full charge seem normal, being:
  • level 1 (120volt outlet) = 16 hours
  • level 2 (240volt) = 8 hours

BTW, it's great seeing so much good info within this forum. Thank you to all who contribute.
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Mine performs the same on CHAdeMo. You are not doing anything wrong.
I'm interested if anyone is bothering with Fast Charging for the PHEV? In USA at least, the charging networks that have Chademo charge extremely high rates (e.g. EA - $0.48/kWh in FL) which actually make electric miles more expensive charging this way than gas miles. Also with very few Chademo stations around, is it a redundant feature?
For sure I'm not bothering with Chademo charging. But that plug will be handy if they ever get V2H working for us.
I don't think I would go to the effort of setting up V2H but it would be great if there was a V2L Chademo adapter/inverter that would enable us to pull more than the 1500W for backup power.
I would say that feature is useless as for most places, it's cheaper tu run the PHEV in charge mode than pay for Level 3 and waste 40 minutes on top of that
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How much gas is needed to re-charge the battery - also at what gas price were the calculations made?
How much gas is needed to re-charge the battery - also at what gas price were the calculations made?
A local TV journalist made the test and figured it will add 2 - 3 extra liters of fuel to recharge the battery , the price here is around 1.5$ a liter

L3 Chargers are around 12$ an hour here in Quebec
Thanks - useful information. I wonder if Mitsubishi publishes any information on how many kWH the alternator produces (and its efficiency)?
I ve been testing long distance driving, my PHEV delivered end of March has now 6000km. Honestly I hardly see a difference between the save mode and charge mode consumption while driving on highway.

It takes 75 to 90 minutes to recharge the battery while driving on highway,
While idling seems to take the same time although I never tried a complete charge

What makes a difference is using Tarmac on the highway, this will lower consumption to 4-5 l/100km, until the battery is half full, then the gas engine seems to do most of the work.
When battery is empty on highway the best I get is around 9 to 10 l/100km, if you charge then you're around 12-13 l/100km
If you believe the gauges, then the engine can deliver up to 100kw - although not likely in practice! At that rate you could recharge the batteries in less than 15mins.
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This guy says 94 minutes while parked will charge from zero to 80%.
This guy says 94 minutes while parked will charge from zero to 80%.
Good channel - I watched all his videos before buying the vehicle.
I just looked at the OBD data while in Charge mode. While parked at 68% battery the engine is using around 3.6 litres/hour and charging at 8.7 kW. When it reaches 80% it reduces the charge rate to around 4 kW and burns 2.6 litres/hour. So based on his video about 5.6 litres of fuel to go from 10% to 80%. That is $8.40 in petrol where I live.
But looking at the added capacity the car must be charging at more than 8.7 kW for some of the time. I'll have to look at the charge rate at a lower charge level sometime.
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In BC, unless you find a free fast charger (Esso OnTheRun chargers for a limited time), it's cheaper to drive as a hybrid and then charge at home. Our vehicles "fast" charge far too slowly for the current time based rates. Once the legislation changes (slowly winding it's way through) that will allow companies to charge by the kWh vs time, then we'll have to take a look at the prices and see if it's worth it. For now, I wish they had given it faster fast charging or just forgone the chademo plug altogether and made the car a few hundred bucks cheaper! It's dying off in North America anyway... I think the only other BEV that uses it now is the now discontinued Leaf. So the only new vehicles using chademo is the Outlander PHEV... we won't have anywhere to use it eventually.
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